"It is just amazing to me how you guys can ignore the fact that this country made it to the top on precisely the opposite principles that you espouse, and are currently being shown how those same liberal principles are destroying all the progress we've achieved."OK Warren, let's talk about "destroying all the progress we've achieved"...During this election year, conservatives/republicans/teabaggers have put forth the following proposals:Eliminate the 14th amendment (Jon Kyl)
Ban abortions in the case of rape or incest (Sharon Angle, Ken Buck)
Eliminate public schooling (David Harmer... that's right, his name is actually HARMER!)
Eliminate unemployment benefits (Joe Miller)
Eliminate the federal minimum wage (John Raese)
Trade chickens for medical care (Sharon Angle)Now, tell me, who wants to destroy all the progress we've achieved?   See 30 other replies

I actually am moving to Canada, I'm just waiting to finish my PharmD. I cited health care organizations, not "far leftist" sources. That's exactly the problem with the entire conservative movement, anything, regardless of the reputation and expertise of the source (i.e. MEDICAL specialists) are far left wing if they disagree with your world view. Then you come back with sources from unqualified "think tanks" like the CATO institute and call us blind when you get laughed out of the room. You just don't get it.People in the U.S. have to leave the U.S. all the time to get health care, its a factor of availability of local specialists. My aunt had to go to Germany for a knee specialist, my mother had to fly 1500 miles to an immunology specialist. That shows your disconnect with the actual state of the medical field. Then you illustrated my point further by showing a disregard for scientific studies, conservative stupidity at its peak.Care to support your assertion that we were always a conservative country and that specifically is what made us great? In the history of our country we've never had a worse distribution of wealth. Currently according to the IRS 20% of our population is holding 86% of the wealth. As late as coming out of WW2 personal income taxes could progressively tax you 92%, and our personal taxes today are the lowest in the history of our country. Fiscal liberalism it looks like to me, course the real world contradicting your baseless assertions shouldn't bother you. You're conservative! So smart you don't have to support your position with anything other than your opinion.   See 30 other replies

your seeing what you want to see. Brian stopped being the voice of reason and started being an obnoxious comedy character when he became openly liberal.   See 30 other replies

How about it should read "thanks to the Canadian health care system, people are forced to leave the country to get needed healthcare."I'm not interested in citing articles, which would then be ridiculed as coming from far right media sources and contradicted by articles coming from all the left wing media I was talking about to begin with. You guys are missing the whole point of what I said. The very reason you are able to smugly pull out all these articles, "studies" and "statistics" was my original point. I lamented that there are so many of you true believers out there who will never find a need to question what you are bombarded with constantly, this "the-fabric-of-reality-is-liberal" crap.It is just amazing to me how you guys can ignore the fact that this country made it to the top on precisely the opposite principles that you espouse, and are currently being shown how those same liberal principles are destroying all the progress we've achieved. Fortunately, it appears there are still enough sensible people left to begin to turn the ship around in November. The secret is if you'd been more patient you could probably have gotten away with it, but you had to overplay your hand. But don't worry, voters have short memories; they'll start buying all the liberal politicians' lies again in a few years.What you really need to ask yourselves is "why on earth do I want to live in such a terrible country as America?" I'm sure one of the European socialist countries you all seem to love so much would be happy to have you.   See 30 other replies

Note: above should read "thanks to the Canadian health care system that these people are able to come to the U.S. for services".   See 30 other replies

Mexico is probably not the best example, Warren. Of course people living in abject poverty would try to get any kind of health care. Nor is Canada. Here's an excerpt from an article titled "Debunking Canadian health care myths" from www.denverpost.com...Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.
Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.Warren, are you ready to admit that it's because of the Canadian health care system that these people are coming to the U.S. for services? Seems like it would be a luxury for the rich without universal health care.Maybe you could find at least one source backing your ridonkulous claims?   See 30 other replies

Oh, yeah, you got me. I just can't match wits with you liberal intellectuals. Go on with the statistics. Arguments are so much more convincing when there are percentages in them. Nope, I just couldn't possibly come up with any examples of people from Canada, or the UK or Mexico coming here for our healthcare system. You're right; that's just all in our stupid conservative heads. Put there, no doubt by Fox and Rush and Glen and all those other idiots I get all my thoughts from. One day you'll look back on this and pretend you were on the other side of the argument.   See 30 other replies